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Sarah White - 03/05/00 18:38:07
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/shores/7369
My Email:sarahclw@hotmail.com
Where Are You From?: Caterham, Surrey, United Kingdom

Comments:
I am very impressed with your website. It is not often that I visit such an entertaining page. You are a very gifted man and I commend your work. It really puts my website to shame! Keep up the music. Truly enjoyable...

joao monteiro - 03/05/00 17:57:10
My Email:jmonte@ruralrj.com.br
Where Are You From?: Brasil

Comments:
Your home-page beautiful, lovely, tanks, I apreciate very match, esquime my englis, is very bad

Don Francis - 03/05/00 17:55:12
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Galaxy/3807/index.html
Where Are You From?: Liberty Hill, Texas

Comments:
Your interest in music closely parallels my own. Enjoyed the heck out of listening to your midi files.

Craig - 03/05/00 17:47:12
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/rudealloy/DSH.htmlhttp://
My Email:craigrussell99@hotmail.com
Where Are You From?: Cold Lake, Alberta Canada

Comments:
Im only 16 years of age, and im amazed that someone of your age could learn how to use the internet and even make your own page. Hehe i hope i can only get my dad into it. Well i just want to say, i loved your site, and i think what you've done is really reat.

ken - 03/05/00 17:34:27
My Email:keb304@webtv.net
Where Are You From?: columbus oh

Comments:
very good page.you are excelent 1 2 3 hit it boys!!

Gregggio - 03/05/00 17:11:18
My Email:gfg@terra.com.br
Where Are You From?: Brazil

Comments:
I`ve been readind your story. It`s amazing , when at 60/70 years old , someone start, only by couriosity to learn new tecnologies. Like you , I turn on my first computer at 50 years old.Now I´m 60. Congratulation for your actitude ,I love all kind of music , but your music is not too important , the important matter is to be always learning , until our death.I always repeat to my children ( i have 3 daughters) that all of us must have the "duty" f die "much better" than we have born. I´m living in a underdeveloped country , where people must make a big effort only to survival. People need to have examples like you . Excuse for my english and thank you. Greggio,Guilherme City:Botucatu (strange name, is`nt? ) State: São Paulo Country:Brazil

Ron - 03/05/00 16:29:02
My URL:http://community.webtv.net/rlm1943/index1
My Email:rlm1943@webtv.net
Where Are You From?: Ohio

Comments:
Very nice site and family, keep on making the good music. Stop by my site sometime and sign the guess book and take a look at my family..

Edmond - 03/05/00 15:57:08
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Thebes/2413/
My Email:lmstwnt@hongkong.com
Where Are You From?: Hong Kong

Comments:
I like your religious part very much. Especially "Make Me A Channel Of Your Peace". Nice job!!! ^o^

Patryka Tachick - 03/05/00 15:25:42
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Trail/2944/
My Email:gtachick@msn.com
Where Are You From?: Sandia Park, New Mexico

Comments:
Grandpa- Thanks for sharing your midi music with the world. What a delight!

Peggy Tripp - 03/05/00 15:23:47
My Email:ptripp48@yahoo.com
Where Are You From?: Batavia,NY

Comments:
It is refreshing to find a site where we can hear all the old favorites.Thank You.

Leatrice Brown - 03/05/00 15:05:56
My Email:leanbre@yahoo.com
Where Are You From?: Cleveland, OH

Comments:
Go Grandpa Frank!

Farrell Cooper - 03/05/00 14:42:20
My Email:farrellcooper@go.com
Where Are You From?: Okefenokee Swamp, Folkston, GA

Comments:
It was a blessing to find your site. It made my day. Thank you and thank you Geocities.


harvey spears - 03/05/00 14:06:58
My URL:http://www.hspears.com
My Email:hspears@dwebs.dwebs.net
Where Are You From?: Eustis,florida 32727

Comments:
I am in realestate , also a General Contractor. My family settled in Florida in 1836,i'm a life long residence of Florida except close to 5 years in the US Navy all at sea except 4 weeks at Great Lakes training,served in the Europe area - my last year was in the Pacific -in Okanowia when the war ende . i have a wonderful large family, my wife Hazel have been married 54 years,all of which is very important to me, also i'm 74 years old, never operated a computer until about 3 years ago-- now i love the challenge. Also if you will please review my web sites which will give more info on on my family and what i'm doing with the computer. ( www.hspears.com) (www.quixtar.com ibo#0407001 Password 192613) www.marketcommander.com/harveyspears PW 1926) (www.newamway.c m/harveyspears ) (www.ibonetwork.com #0407001 PW 192613) Also my 30 year old Grand son Keith Spears & i still operate our family construction & real estate Business.If you are in Florida please look us up. Thank You Harvey Spears

warren palmer - 03/05/00 13:30:03
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/warren08
My Email:warren8@web.com
Where Are You From?: TX

Comments:
Hey Grandpa, while I don't like Polka or any music rendered in Midi format, I am impressed with your website. Stop by sometime.

Charles Wheeler - 03/05/00 11:51:51
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Inn/1900/index.html
My Email:beignet@pcola.gulf.net
Where Are You From?: Pensacola, Fl.

Comments:
I very much like you music and would like to put your link in my site. I am a fan of old music from the 30's, 40's and 50's (what else I'm 57).

Arno Sirach - 03/05/00 10:43:11
My URL:http://www.sirach.x1.nl
My Email:a.h.sirach@cable.a2000.nl
Where Are You From?: Holland

Comments:
This is a nice site you have zy hello to the fam ant keep it up bye bye

pat sisco - 03/05/00 10:08:52
My Email:slotsisco@aol.com
Where Are You From?: mcminnville, or.

Comments:
thank you for shareing your web site with me- such a joy

tony - 03/05/00 10:03:36
My Email:tony_richie@hotmail.com
Where Are You From?: england

Comments:
Great story and great music I enjoyed it keep it up best wishes Tony.

Guo Andy - 03/05/00 09:37:06
My URL:http://hey.to/guo
My Email:guoandy@mail.com
Where Are You From?: Taiwan

Comments:
I read GEOSTORY about your letter. You are very very good. I like You!

Nancy Hawk - 03/05/00 09:24:38
My URL:http://www.cougarfreebies.com
My Email:nancy_hawk@hotmail.com
Where Are You From?: Pullman, WA

Comments:
I love your page!

Methy Moonsap - 03/05/00 07:44:15
My Email:mmoonsap@yahoo.com
Where Are You From?: San Diego, CA

Comments:
I think your website is super cool. I'll will have to put it in my bookmarks.

Lukose Pralayil - 03/05/00 07:33:54
My URL:http://geocities.com/pratyashadeepam
My Email:pclukose@hotmail.com
Where Are You From?: Kerala, India

Comments:
Wow.. Great, 'young' Papa!!! I praise the Lord Who has given you these tremendous gifts. Since I am an Indian (Kerala State) but now working in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, with my family here, the song "Calcutta" attracted me the most. God bless you, your children and grandchildren. Please pray for this poor soul and for my family. Pray especially for this country, Saudi Arabia, where we still have no religious freedom.

Nancy L Habeger - 03/05/00 07:11:48
My Email:nancylhabeger.net@worldnet.att.net
Where Are You From?: Sacramento, Calif

Comments:
I love it man, the music is beautiful, my sister and I are in our 50's when we got our computer, and I know that ole dogs can learn new trick.

Gutbucket :Harry - 03/05/00 06:36:15
My URL:http://pages.prodigy.net/har78/coversht.htm
My Email:har78@prodigy.net
Where Are You From?: Orlando, Florida

Comments:
I am originally from Bucyrus, Ohio. Joined the Navy at 17 yrs. Got thru Pearl Harbor without a scratch and retired in 1958. Bona fide Hero from that experience...... Was awarded the Navy Cross. You have a great web page. Take a look at mine: http://pages.prodigy.net/har78/coversht.htm Ciao!


susan greene - 03/05/00 06:25:30
My Email:susanstoy@webtv.net
Where Are You From?: lake charles la

Comments:
hi there. nice to meet you and your family. i enjoyed your site very much. please feel free to respond and keep in touch. i am on web tv and do not have a computer, yet, so i am limited to what i can reieve, but i can get e_mail & most attachments. i look forward to hearing from you. susan and bill greene

Leona Halley henderson - 03/05/00 06:23:11
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/4986
My Email:lee@gower.net
Where Are You From?: Texas

Comments:
Enjoyed your music and rest of web site. You did GOOD! will come back when can spend more time.

David Lazarus - 03/05/00 06:22:02
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/lazarusd/lazland.html
My Email:lazarusd@yahoo.com
Where Are You From?: Fanwood, NJ

Comments:
Very enjoyable page

Kaye - 03/05/00 05:55:53
My URL:homepages.msn.com/SpiritSt/missoyl/index.html
My Email:maserang@flash.net
Where Are You From?: Palestine. TX

Comments:
Your site blew my orthopedic shoes off! I am 61, just started learning computer a year ago, mostly to email my kids and friends. I enjoy designing stationery in Outlook Express, and I have a music-writing program that lets me print my scores and save my c mpositions as midi files. Love your music. Ran into a few glitches here & there while loading, but they corrected themselves. Keep it up, you are an inspiration!

samantha lambert - 03/05/00 05:41:05
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/lambertsamantha/Samanthaneversampage.html
My Email:lambertsamantha@yahoo.com
Where Are You From?: Alaska

Comments:
I heard about you from geociities news page.I found your story very inspirational. I lived in Germany for nine years and loved the polka music..So i thought I would drop in and see what your sight was all about. And even to my amazement I LOVED YOUR PAGE: You are a very talented man..(hugs for you and your very proud family) I hope you do more songs and I hope you do not mind I added you to my favorite places. Take care Samantha

Charles Mc Millan - 03/05/00 05:37:44
My URL:www.charles.mcmillan.net
My Email:chmcmillan@Surry.net
Where Are You From?: Mt Airy NC (Mayberry)Andy Griffin

Comments:
Nice!! Keep up the good work.

Jamie - 03/05/00 05:30:41
My Email:stjamie@yahoo.com
Where Are You From?: Oklahoma

Comments:
Heard about your site! I am a music major, and I love computers, so I couldnt help but stop here!! You go grandpa!!

Ed Cox - 03/05/00 05:21:00
My Email:edcox519@total.net
Where Are You From?: Quebec-Canada, formerly Birmingham, England.

Comments:
I had a great time this evening playing a wide selection of our common taste in good music. Have certainly added to my Favourites..and will be back. Some of the tunes I had not heard for so long, I was moved. Thanks! Ed Cox.

Sue - 03/05/00 04:47:11
My Email:tslantz@yahoo.com
Where Are You From?: Lincoln, Nebraska

Comments:
You sound like a great guy! Enjoyed your music!

atth - 03/05/00 04:33:55
My Email:atth74@hotmail.com
Where Are You From?: Bangkok,Thailand

Comments:
Hi grandpa. i'm 19 girl from bangkok. i found yr hp in geocities report.i think it's very great becuz it make me know what kind of music i like. i love yr music a lots. i hope my dad will do the same thing like u ..*lol*

RON LACY - 03/05/00 04:15:01
My URL:http://www.angelfire.com/ca/1airs/index.html
My Email:airs@jps.net
Where Are You From?: Grass Valley, CA

Comments:
Thanks and may GOD bless you even more than you alredy are.

dodong flores - 03/05/00 04:09:06
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cabin/4424/
My Email:dongflores@usa.net
Where Are You From?: the Philippines

Comments:
Nice site!!! More power to you and God Bless...

RETHA NORMAN - 03/05/00 04:06:42
My Email:reres6@webtv.net
Where Are You From?: ILLINOIS

Comments:
HELLO GRAMPA *+*+* I REALLY ENJOYED YOUR SONGS AND ADMIRE YOU FOR BEING THE AGE YOU ARE AND LEARNING HOW TO USE A COMPUTER.... IT IS STILL ALL NEW TO ME ..... IN YOUR LIFE TIME YOU HAVE SEEN A LOT... IT SEEM TO ME THAT YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN AND THAT GOD H S SEEN YOU THRU THE GOOD AND BAD.. HE HAD SUCH WONDER PLANS FOR YOU TO LIVE THIS LONG IN LIFE.... HIS LOVE IS SO AMAZING... KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK... YOU HAVE A NICE FAMILY PICTURE ALSO .... GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS ... THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPERTU ITY TO VIST YOUR PAGE... I'LL BE VISTING QUITE OFTEN.... RETHA N

Oscar - 03/05/00 03:53:40
My URL:http://community-1.webtv.net/monseno/httpcommunity1webtv/
My Email:monseno@webtv.net
Where Are You From?: Florida

Comments:
Great Page & Etc. It just goes to show we are never to old to do things if we have the mind to. I have a WEbtv Plus and love it it keeps my mind active.Like to make up Graphics and add music. I would like to use some of yours if it is Ok. Take care, & May God Bless. Oscar.

Marian Wegman - 03/05/00 03:44:46
My Email:marweg@webtv.net
Where Are You From?: swan Lake. New york

Comments:
I love your music and I think it's just wonderful that you are doing all this on computer at your age. I work in a nursing home and see people your age every day who are in such bad shape. It makes my day when I see someone like you who is able to do suc a fine job as this. Love You!

angel winchel - 03/05/00 03:40:23
My Email:5angel5@home.com
Where Are You From?: San Diego

Comments:
It is so good to read your love for God and your family on your page. Your music is relaxing yet uplifting. I hope I can find the gift God has given me so I can find success and passion in my career in life. I'm happy to see you have found yours. My n me is Angel, I am a single parent of 4 and 6 year old girls, I am trying so hard to make a living and yet bring them up the way they should go. I have been fortunate to keep them in private schools this far. God Bless you and yours.

Craig Prunty - 03/05/00 03:27:39
My Email:craig.prunty@gte.net
Where Are You From?: Illinois

Comments:
Enjoyed!!

LeAnne Abell - 03/05/00 03:23:42
My Email:snoflake@home.com
Where Are You From?: Hendersonville, Tn.

Comments:
I enjoyed your webpage and amgoing to forward your site address to my mother who loves to play the accordian and loves Polka music. Keep up the good work!! LeAnne

Delayne Sprinkles - 03/05/00 03:05:24
My URL:http://www.educationconsultant.com
My Email:delaynespr@email.com
Where Are You From?: Granbury, Texas

Comments:
A wonderful web page. I will show it to my wife tomorrow, she goes to bed early. Delayne

J Lionel Strout - 03/05/00 02:59:49
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/jlionels/usmcvn.html
My Email:jlionel@mindspring.com
Where Are You From?: Selma Al.

Comments:
I enjoyed the music and the ttribute to the armed forces thank you. Semper Fi

Linda West - 03/05/00 02:58:13
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Island/1845
My Email:netpik@telcomplus.net
Where Are You From?: Deming, Washington The Great Pacific Northwest

Comments:
great job...I have place your page into my favorites...whenever I want to hear you, I can...thanks for donating ...God Bless.... I was a music major...my mom was an opera singer and music teacher...my dad is 82 years young..and is still doing the polka (even after bypass surgery last year)and singing in the German choirs in the San Francisco Bay area...sure wish he had a computer.. I could send him this...what fun that would be....maybe I will get him started...I don't get to see him that often..but I would love to teach him... I played the clarinet, flute, voice, sax, violin, etc....but unfortunately when you get out of school, there are few places to express your music but at home (as the saying goes "close musicians"...)So, you can see why I really appreciate all you efforts. .thanks Linda p.s. My husband and I have been in the Antique business for 40 years...and specialize in old pocket watches and clocks...just something else we have in common.... It is a small world out there.... How close are you to Dothan, Alabama...??

Bernardo R. Lahoz - 03/05/00 02:56:47
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/lahozclan
My Email:blahoz@vasia.com
Where Are You From?: Philippines

Comments:
Dear Mr. Schober, I am 71 years old, a grandpa like you with six children and nine grandchildren. I got to know of your wonderful website of music, thru the Geocities website news. I went through your list of musical pieces, and it seems we have a lot in common as far as music pieces are interested. Would I be violating any copyright laws if I copied your MIDI pieces into a disk, so I can play them without going into the Internet web? I intend to copy a lot of your music into a ZIP diskette, and maybe, eventually, even into a CD-ROM for my own enjoy ent during my spare time, as I am still working (employed). More power to you. BERNARDO R. LAHOZ 252 Haig Street Mandaluyong City Philippines EMAIL ADDRESSES: blahoz@vasia.com blahoz5@cnnsimail.com

Jack - 03/05/00 02:50:41
My Email:cocojack@ime.net
Where Are You From?: Maine

Comments:
I think you have a wonderful site. I just received it today but will be checking it often.

Louise Morrill - 03/05/00 02:28:56
My Email:theweese@yahoo.com
Where Are You From?: northwest New Mexico

Comments:
I enjoyed myself at your webpage. Unforunately, I was only able to hear the mucic that comes with the page. I am unable to connect with the other music, which is a shame, because a lot of them are reminiscent of my childhood. Also, the German music rem nds me of many of the type of music many of my neighbors listened to in South Dakota where I grew up. Now to try the 50+ group. I'm looking forward to hearing from people who can remember "back when."

Cathy - 03/05/00 02:28:02
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/heartland/pines/5989
My Email:dekker@eot.com
Where Are You From?: MN

Comments:
I am THOROUGHLY enjoying your site. I love to listen to MIDI's and rarely find the type I like to listen too. Thanks for so much enjoyment. And the best part is knowing that YOU made them. That is really neat! I enjoyed seeing a little bit about you nd your family. Feel free to come to our site to learn a little bit about ours. I am 29, a stay-at-home mother of 2 little ones. My husband and I love music, we both play guitar - just not MUCH of it these days. Our little boy is 2 years old and PLAYS his little heart out with his play guitar. I also have a business site, which is www.thecreativetouch.8m.com - this is what I do from my home so I can stay home with the my kids. This household is ALWAYS HOPPING :) Thanks again for you music. We are really enjoying it! Cathy

Cathy - 03/05/00 02:26:58
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/heartland/pines/5989
My Email:dekker@eot.com
Where Are You From?: MN

Comments:
I am THOROUGHLY enjoying your site. I love to listen to MIDI's and rarely find the type I like to listen too. Thanks for so much enjoyment. And the best part is knowing that YOU made them. That is really neat! I enjoyed seeing a little bit about you nd your family. Feel free to come to our site to learn a little bit about ours. I am 29, a stay-at-home mother of 2 little ones. My husband and I love music, we both play guitar - just not MUCH of it these days. Our little boy is 2 years old and PLAYS his little heart out with his play guitar. I also have a business site, which is www.thecreativetouch.8m.com - this is what I do from my home so I can stay home with the my kids. This household is ALWAYS HOPPING :) Thanks again for you music. We are really enjoying it! Cathy

shhazam - 03/05/00 02:26:13
My Email:shhazam@yahoo.com
Where Are You From?: California

Comments:
You have a great collection of midi tunes. Did you create all of them? The polkas sound the best.

Roger & Irene Booth - 03/05/00 02:24:40
My Email:reiebooth@AOL.com
Where Are You From?: Portage MI

Comments:
We enjoyed the music. Our son suggested we try it. Thank you.

Ralph E. Knight - 03/05/00 02:05:55
My URL:http://sites.netscape.net/ralph43usa
My Email:reknight@ria.net
Where Are You From?: Fowler, Colorado

Comments:
I enjoyed your page very much. I will visit it frequently, as I too, enjoy good music. My brother and I used to play the accordian, about 50 years ago. Haven't played in a long time, but I enjoy good accordian music.

Nelson Hitchcock - 03/05/00 01:58:36
My URL:http://geocities.com/athenschoral
My Email:nhitchcock@home.com
Where Are You From?: Athens, Georgia

Comments:
Your site is well worth visiting. You have some very nice arrangements of many songs I have loved through the years. Thanks.

Dr. George Perez - 03/05/00 01:46:59
My Email:georgenhouston@hotmail.com
Where Are You From?: Houston, Texas

Comments:
As a former Marine and a Vietnam veteran, I enjoyed your musical salute to all our men and women at home and abroad defending this great country of ours. May the Lord bless you and yours for your contribution!

Holli Thurston - 03/05/00 01:46:07
My Email:cricket.t@centurytel.net
Where Are You From?: Michigan

Comments:
I just love your site. The music is great and I just sing right along with you while you play. You sure have a great variety of music to pick from. This is the first good site I can really rave about in the two years I've been on line. Thank You for yo God Given Talent. Holli

Phuc Vien Mang - 03/05/00 01:07:48
My URL:http:// (none)
My Email:p_mang4@yahoo.com
Where Are You From?: Seattle/Washington

Comments:
Dear my old friend, I'm 65 years old. My homecountry Is VietNAm. I came to USA under humanitarian operation (HO) signed between US government and Vietnammese communist authority. I'm a Political Prisoner. I spent 10 years in VC concentration camp. Now my family and I living n Seattle, Washington and working as a editor of Vietnamese weekly news. I'm very interesting your Website. I wish to have a site like you on Yahoo GeoCities in near future and may ask you Web design help. I learned a lot in your Website. Best Regards. PV /Seattle

Becky - 03/05/00 00:52:48
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/t42becky
My Email:t42becky@hotmail.com
Where Are You From?: South Carolina

Comments:
Dear Grandpa, What a pleasure to visit your site! I am sure I will return many, many times. I am a pianist, though I can't play by ear...God has richly blessed you. Thank you for sharing these blessings with us on the net. Greetings to your family. Keep up the goo work!

donna - 03/05/00 00:47:33
My Email:donuts53@gateway.net
Where Are You From?: Massachusetts

Comments:
Great Music!! God bless you and yours.

Barb-Walski - 03/05/00 00:44:36
My Email:barb-walski@excite.com
Where Are You From?: Homewood,IL

Comments:
Just found your website today, and am enjoying your music, especially the christian songs. I used to sing in the church choir, and I also enjoy singing. I have a son living in Birmingham. I just sent him your website, so maybe you will hear from him too Barb

rose begor - 03/05/00 00:43:06
My URL:http://ernest stone
My Email:begor@earthlink.net
Where Are You From?: west canaan,nh

Comments:
love your work and pages can sit for hours just listening and browsing through it, thank you for such a great entertaining program that i can enjoy, keep up the good work.... rose

Kimberly - 03/05/00 00:09:45
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/gabooka
My Email:kimct@netscape.net
Where Are You From?: Connecticut

Comments:
I loved your story in the GeoCities newsletter and read it to my mom who just retired. I am totally IMPRESSED with my page. I just started out trying to do a page myself. I was looking at yours and couldnt figure out how you got it so LONG. When I work on mine it just stops at the bottom when I use the Page BUilder. I see that the schroll bar has a lot to go, any advice?? I am so in awe that you can play by ear too...it was a GREAT page and you have a beautiful family. Keep up the great work. Sincer ly, Kimberly Adams

terri - 03/05/00 00:08:08
My URL:http://www.geocities.com/ourgreatfamily
My Email:terrih@email.com
Where Are You From?: Austin,Tx

Comments:
I enjoyed your web site especially the German songs!

Longjohn - 03/05/00 00:07:11
My Email:lj24@hotmail.com
Where Are You From?: Alexandria, Ontario, Canada

Comments:
Hey there, Granpa! Just visiting your site and was greatly impressed.... Nice music! A job well done - Congratulations!

Nicole - 03/05/00 00:04:41
My Email:bronze_angel_2000@yahoo.com
Where Are You From?: Melbourne, Australia

Comments:
WOW! I just read your story, and I think its amazing. I never thought that technology could make a person so much happier! I say, bravo! I'm only 16 years old and I absolutly adore music. I think that more people like you should be on the internet, making up good and useful sites.

rose - 03/05/00 00:01:42
My Email:gidget@mint.net
Where Are You From?: Maine

Comments:
Very nice homepage


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